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Mel's avatar

I'm sorry, Adam, but as soon as I hear you say "entitlements", I get enraged. I worked for every penny I'm getting on Social Security. It is NOT an entitlement!

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If you don't distinguish between temporary deficit increases and structural debt, you're not discussing this issue seriously.

Since Clinton, ONLY the GOP has systematically and massively increased the structural debt (= debt that no future administration can erase with the stroke of a pen, so that keeps growing anyhow), while Democrats have systematically CUT the debt and deficit. Democrats only made exceptions for TEMPORARY deficit spending to deal with a huge crisis (the 2008 financial crisis caused by not enough regulation, covid, ...). And these bills help the 99% survive during huge crises, whereas the GOP bills that create massive structural debt increases only make the 1% wealthiest wealthier.

Also, since Clinton already, Democrats systematically apply the "pay-as-you-go" rule. That means that no bill leaves Congress that isn't fully paid for, so that doesn't include measures to guarantee that it won't add to the deficit or debt. Obamacare for instance LOWERED the deficit compared to where it would have been had the previous HC system continued. It also gave millions of Americans what citizens of Western democracies outside the US had for decades: real, collective health insurance.

And yet, time and again, the GOP lied and lied about "fiscal conservatism". As soon as it took over DC, the FIRST thing it did was drop the "pay-as-you-go" rule. Again and again.

I'm happy that you finally address this issue, but I'm not sure that today, you get reality as it is: the ONLY truly fiscal conservatives, for decades now, are Democrats. Republicans have constantly done the exact opposite.

And then there is the utter economic ignorance and incompetence of Republicans. You do NOT cut the deficit when the economy is recovering from a Great Recession. That is just irrational behavior. You cannot be a responsible householder if you indulge in irrational thinking. Facts are facts.

Obviously, today we know why back then the GOP spread so much fake news (including the creation of the Tea Party): studies have shown that as soon as Obama won (with a whopping 80% approval rating after he was sworn in), the GOP leadership got together and started focusing on only ONE goal: making Obama a one-term president. How? By lying and lying and lying, all while blocking any evidence-based legislation that would benefit the American people.

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